About six months after he left Sears, Chuck Hanna called me up and asked me if I’d come work with him at Spiegel’s. He said, “Look, you get $37.50 a week to start.” I was making $23. He said, “It won’t be long before you’re making more than that.”

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So I went over there to talk to Mr. McDonald. I talked to Chuck first, and he said, “Now, don’t give him any business about how you want to advance and that sort of thing. Tell him you want to make money. That’s why you’d leave Sears to come here–because they’d pay you for it. He doesn’t like any of this guff. And sometimes he talks in circles to see if you’re listening. So pay attention. If he says something you don’t understand, tell him you don’t know what he’s talking about.”

I said, “Yes.”

She said, “I’ve been here 20 years, and I make $22.”

Under the stamp my friend Irv Melamed wrote, “I’m awfully sorry about that.”